Chemist

I am trying really hard to start a new career as a nurse anesethist. I have a degree in chemistry and am trying to get into nursing school to get my BSN. I am 36 years old and have heard the schools do not want someone my age going into this line of work. Is there any truth to this? Am I too old?

Age isn't a problem

No nurse anesthesia schools discriminate based on age. At my university we have had several "older" students - my assumption is that they were in their late 30s early 40s when they started the program. The challenge for all students is to keep up with the demands of the program -- both academically and clinically. The time required once clinical starts exceeds 60 hours per week at the hospital. If the applicant is competitive with the other applicants (3.5 overall GPA, 3.4 GPA in the sciences, 1800+ GRE, and the requisite ICU experience) and understands and accepts the rigors of the program (long hours, call, plus seven months of off-campus rotations around the state), they would be admitted.

There are a growing number of inquiries from individuals in their late 50s and early 60s. We had a "blast" inquiry from a person who was 62 years of age and was not even a nurse and did not possess a BS degree. Since nurse anesthesia training is so rigorous and since we as a profession have such a limited number of slots for training it is hard to imagine allocating a slot for someone who would not even be eligible to enter practice until age 70.

Ed, Associate Professor and Director, Anesthesia Education

Too Old

I am 45 and will be starting an accelerated bsn program next month. I have spent the last 22 years in the financial industry specifically the trading arena. I am looking down the road to a master's program and considering the possibility of becoming a crna... If I were to choose this, my age at application would be close to 48-50 after obtaining some experience. I know you said that people have been applying that are 50-60.. Are these ages getting accepted? Also, is there any age discrimination in employment opportunities at these ages? Thanks for all your help...

RN

I had a similar background - left financial industry and finished my BSN in '95. Starting CRNA school in 3 weeks - at age 40. With a business background and stronger than average interpersonal skills, this field is wide open. Don't let age be a negative - it's an asset in this field. Good luck.

RN

HI MH, I AM INQUIRING AS TO WHAT ACCELERATED BSN PROGRAM YOU WILL BE ATTENDING. I HAVE A BSN BUT MY HUSBAND HAS AN ASSOCIATES DEGREE IN NURSING. WE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING HIM GETTING HIS BSN AND THEN GOING ONTO A CRNA PROGRAM. HE IS 40 YEARS OLD AND HAS STATED HE WOULD BE TOO OLD.... I AM SO GLAD THAT I RAN ACROSS YOUR PAGE. PLEASE LET ME KNOW WERE THIS ACCELERATED PROGRAM IS. WHERE ARE YOU THINKING ABOUT ATTENDING CRNA SCHOOL, TOO? THANKS,

TR

AGE AND CRNA

I'm 53 and start CRNA school in two months. Go for it! Don't let age stop you. The workforce is aging and more and more people will be working to much later ages than our parents, grandparents.

Too Old

I was wondering about a comment made by MH back in April of 2004. I was wondering what MH discovered concerning the question of age or if anyone else has a comment about the issues raised by MH. I am 47 and have a bachelors in business. Is it too late to realistically pursue a CRNA at this point. I am not an RN.

Accelerated BSN

Congrats on being accepted. I've just started doing research on how I can leave the field of communications (Undergrad) and become a Nurse Anesthetist. I've found a few good programs, but there are a lot of prerequisits that I'm lacking. I'm afraid that I would go through the trouble of taking these pre-reqs and then not be accepted to the program. Each program that I have looked at has very different pre-reqs. Any advice? I feel pretty lost right now.

Contact Association

CH-- The basic requirements for admission of nurse anesthesia are the same for all accredited programs. You must have an R.N. license, a bachelor's degree in nursing or related field and at least one year of clinical experience as an RN in an acute care area.

The required GPA, GRE, etc. may vary somewhat from school to school. I would suggest you contact the American Association of Nurse Anesthetist for more detailed information and better answers to your questions.

Hope that helps. John

B.S. in Nursing

I've just graduated from Central Texas College with an associates in applied science. I'm in the military as well. My problem is that being in the military I can only go up--not lateral--from an applied science degree to a associates in nursing. Although I'm not wanting to earn an associates, but rather a B.S.in nursing. Just needed to know what are all the prereqs. For becoming an R.N.

RN wanting to do crna program

I have a BA from a while ago and am wondering if that GPA will be counted in. I am currently in a RN program- (first one I could get into) and getting straight A's.

Lets just say that I got a 3.0 in my BA and then I get into a program that allows a BSN to CRNA or one that takes RN's with a bachelors- will they take into consideration that I am now 10 years older and wiser than my schooling before?

Top Three

TK-- I recently had the opportunity to visit with some folks who sit on the selection committee at a nurse anesthesia program. The top three issues for them are: 1. GPA. Needs to be greater than 3.0. Most interested in grades you received in the sciences. 2. ICU experience 3. Your interview. From what I have learned is that most interviews are behavioral style interviews.

Hope that helps.

John

Go Hawkeyes

Will it matter if I have to take an extra 60 sh. to bring my gpa up to an acceptable grade for Iowa?

That's where I got my Bachelors!

Go HAWKEYES!

I could just do a separate RN-BSN program to bring up my gpa and then redo or add science and math to bring it up to 3.5 but it's hard to move 124 semester hours.

Thanks!

Theresa

Difficult to Answer

Not knowing any more specifics this is hard to give an opinion on. From what you have said, I would think that getting your GPA up with extra classes should be fine. What is your degree in? I assume you already have your RN.

John

MS of Science Nursing Entry

I just read about this program from Western U and it sounds great! I currently have a BS in Communications. WRONG FIELD. I ignored my desire to persue CRNA halfway though college and I know better now. I want to go for it now. I have a great GPA 3.9 (all A's only got 1 B) and I'll do whatever it takes including moving to wherever the best program is. I know I'm going to have to take alot of pre-reqs. I clepped out of 12 credits in college and wasn't required to take very much science at all (because of all the clepping and being a communications major) Any advice??? Any at all would be GREAT!

The Master of Science in Nursing Entry (MSN-E) program offers a pathway for applicants with baccalaureate degrees in other fields to obtain RN licensure and then continue with graduate courses to obtain a Master of Science in Nursing degree. This program of study offers an alternative for students who would have had to complete either an Associate Degree in Nursing at a community college or obtain a second bachelor's degree to achieve registered nurse licensure.

The first sixteen months of the MSN-E program prepare students to sit for the RN licensing exam. Students will then work in the nursing field while continuing their graduate education through a full-time reduced unit curriculum.

A career in nursing offers talented individuals high job satisfaction, competitive salaries and job security. Job opportunities are nearly limitless due to the national shortage of nurses.

All existing College of Graduate Nursing programs are California Board of Registered Nursing (BRN) approved, and nationally accredited by the Commission on Collegiate Nursing Education (CCNE). Western University of Health Sciences will admit its fourth MSN-E class in the Fall of 2007.

Get Other Opinions

CHM I am afraid that this is way out of my knowledge level. I know nothing about these programs. My only comment is that remember, you do not need a masters degree to enter nurse anesthesia school. Nurse anesthesia is a master's level education. (There is serious talk that in the next few years it will become a doctoral level program.) You might want to visit with the directors of a couple of schools in your area and get their opinions. A list of accredited programs can be found at AANA.com. John

RN

I have experience in both ICU/CCU and ER. My only problem is not having my salary for my family while in school. An Anesthesiologist friend of mine told me that isn't a problem; just take out a loan to cover my salary while in school, because they won't have a problem since they will look at my future earning potential! The hours won't be a problem because I work 60-72 hours per week now! What do yo think?

RN

By the way Ed; I'm 45 years old.

Age

It would seem to me that accepting "older" students to CRNA school would in some cases be better for keeping new graduates in the state in which they live. An "older" RN is more likely to have already bought a home. Their kids have strong ties to their friends and school. Their spouse has an established career. Whereas a younger, single student may be more tempted to leave their local area for higher salaries offered elsewhere. I'm not saying one is better than the other, just that accepting older students has advantages as well. Just a thought.

Nurse

No, you're not too old. GO FOR IT!

Starting nursing school

I will start nursing school this fall. I am 43 years old. I have 6 years before I retire from my job. Now my job will pay for my education but my goal is to become a anesthesiologist. If you become a nurse anesthetist first, will there be alot more schooling?

Good questions

My first comment is, "Why do you want to be an anesthesiologist vs. a nurse anesthetist, (other than money)?" Remember, the practice of anesthesia is both within the scope and practice of nursing and medicine.

It is highly unlikely that being a CRNA will shorten the education process for becoming an anesthesiologist. The process is as follows:

CRNA: Undergraduate degree + RN = 4 years +\- Work experience as RN = 1 year minimum (often more) Master's in anesthesia = 30 to 36 months

Anesthesiologist: Undergraduate degree = 4 years Medical school = 4 years Anesthesia Residency = 3 years +\-

You should double check my estimates for the M.D. Anesthesiology program. I know very little about them but I think this is a close approximation.

Again, other than the undergraduate degree these educational programs are totally exclusive of each other so doing one and then the other seems to make very little sense. At age 43 it would seem the shorter the time commitment the more logical, but that is just an opinion.

crna

Hello John, I have just started my nursing studies in the uk and before I started I never knew that the nurse anesthetist career existed. I've become so much interested and I have made up my mind that when I graduate I want to move to America and study to become a CRNA. I want to know more on how to go about applying for the programme when I finish my nursing degree.

Go Here

Esther

I would refer you to the American Association of Nurse Anesthetist. (AANA.com) They will be able to give you all the help you are looking for.

Good luck

John

MD

Anesthesia residency is 5 years not 3. And we get paid almost 4-5 times as much as a crna....

CRNA

I make $275,000 as a CRNA. 33 months nurse anesthesia school.

Curious about Dinero

Do you make $275,000 on average per year? How many hours a week do you work. And do you work for agency or a group?

A Little High

The average CRNA salary is less than half of the figure you quoted. The number of hours you work depends on the type of position you take. Most full time CRNAs work between 40 and 50+ hours per week plus varying amounts of call.

I am a hospital employee. CRNAs do and can work in all types of business arrangements.

John

Healthcare Recruiter

I am an executive recruiter for a national company and have noticed an increase in the demand for CRNAs. Can you tell me of a Web site that would be beneficial in searching through a resume database.....a popular site for CRNAs to post their resume?

Can't Help

None that I know of

What State?

What state and what type of practice or work setting are you in?

Iowa

in a small-town community hospital.

Nurse

I have a nurse going on three years now and I am looking to pursue a career CRNA. Can anyone give me some advice as to what I need to do to prepare myself for school, experiences that will helpful, and documentation I will need to be accepted as a student. I am currently working toward my BSN as we speak and will be out by next August 07.

Are you serious?

Hello, Ann-- How many years of experience as an CRNA do you have? I heard CRNAs earn after graduation aprox. 120,000. Is it true? Thanks

Ton of Money

Ann: Where did you go to school and what city do you work in?

That is a ton of money

Need advice

I am in high school and I want to get into the medical field. I'm really not wanting to be in college for very long, which is a problem in this area. What are some other jobs in this field that I can maybe think about? Keep in mind that I would like some moo-lah! I was thinking maybe becoming a dentist? I need help!!!!

A career with Moolah!

Okay,There aren't a whole lot of jobs with MOOLAH!...unless you want to attend school for a bit. Here are a few degrees that pay well..

Physical Therapy approx 6 yrs. 80,000/year

Occupational Therapy approx 5-6 years 60,000/year +

Pharmacist approx 90,000 +/- takes approx 6 years.

Registered Nurse 45,000 + only takes 2 years. You can increase pay by working more than 36 hours/wk.

Here are a few others... Cardiopulmonary Perfusionist approx 80,000/y

Nuclear Medicine Tech, Optometrist, Chiropractor

Check your facts

RN takes 4 years to earn degree, you can do fast track to knock off 8 months, but even if it is advertised as a 2 yr. program,those are just your blocks/clinicals and preceptors, you still have a minimum of 2 years in pre-reqs before you can be accepted, as well as co-reqs you should get out of the way

RN

Just wanted to clarify a statement that I read regarding length of RN schooling. There are 2-year programs. They are called ADN degrees in nursing. Not all schools require pre-reqs, especially ADN programs. The whole goal of an ADN program is that it IS a 2 year degree. Same state boards as a 4 yr. degree. I know - I have both.

BSN student

REALLY????? How did you manage to get your prereqs and your nursing classes all in two years?????? You must be super woman! It took me two years..full-time..just to get my prereqs to enter an ADN program and then I said...just go for your BSN. I also have a friend who went for their ADN and it has taken them just as long as it has taken me to get my BSN. Please explain the 2 year thing and how you did it.

Not All Schools Require Prereqs

ABSOULUTELY..all schools require pre reqs in the United States...there is no way to get the degree without having completed some basic courses....so you need to check your facts..it is very untrue.

RN IN TWO YEARS

YES! You can get your RN in two years, BSN takes four. There are two colleges within 30 minutes of my home that offer associates in nursing (pre-reqs and all). They take approx. two years and you can be accepted right out of high school. As long as you pass the NCLEX when you are through, you're good to go. I am in the second year and plan on getting my BSN next, followed by Masters. Good luck!

LPN

I am in an ADN program now. I will be an RN in a year. I went through the program like a rocket and it will take me 3 years to get my RN + 1 year online to get my BSN. Nobody will get an ADN in straight 2 years

Mother of Graduate

A person can become an RN several different ways. My daughter was accepted into a 2 year associate program right out of high school. In fact, she went to her nursing orientation before she actually graduated from high school. This was made possible because of a high ACT score and the dual credit classes she took while in high school. I am proud to say my daughter finished her program of study and passed the NCLEX at the ripe old age of 19. She is presently working full time as a RN and completing her RN-BSN degree.

Exploring Career Options

I haven't seen any mention of physician assistant. How does the pay in that field compare to the others mentioned here? Any advice or comments of any kind on P.A. will be appreciated. I am exploring career options for my son. Thank you.

College Student

You should look into physical therapy assistant, the careers dealing with speech, hearing, communication and a radiological technician. Check your local community college. To be honest, any career takes time. I used to feel that way. Experience and training and the education background are things you cannot overlook and it's what employers and universities accept, and it's what they demand. I just got to the point if I want it I will do what ever it takes. In the meanwhile be patient and get a career you love and not a job just for money.

RN

There is a problem with a degree in health care and not wanting to wait. Although, there are a few degrees to major in with limited time. RNs: ADN is a two-year degree salary ($20-40/hour); Radiology tech 4-year degree about $15/hour. A dentist takes at least 6 years to do. If you are ok with 6 years-then you are set. Physical Therapist 6 years $55,000-70,000; Pharmacists 6 years $ 60,000-80,000; Nurse Practitioners about 5 1/2 to 6 years $60,000-80,000; Nurse Anesthetists 6 1/2 years $95,000-150,000 regularly and sometimes as much as 200,000/year. (But you have to have a Bachelor's of Nursing and experience in ICU for at least a year).

lpn

I'm working on my rn and this site caught my attention. If you're interested in working in the medical field yet don't want to spend years in school, start out as an l.p.n. You can be done in 6 months to a year depending on how fast you work and your credit load. Then you can work and make pretty good $ (compared to what a high school student makes right now. Also, you can continue to study while you go to school so you can work on your ADN, BSN and on toward anestheology or whatever you feel is your area. It may change as you get experience!

RN

I think becoming an LPN is bad advice. LPNs do nearly the same work as RNs with half the pay. Bite the bullet and get an associate RN degree and earn what you are worth. You can work at McDonald's for the wages of an LPN.

Not True

LPN's do not do the same work as a RN. They can't work in acute care settings unless they are working under a RN. I work on a med surg floor of a community hospital and the only place LPN's can work there is in the ER doing first aid stuff like dressings, etc. Any of the good stuff is put on the other side with the RNs. Other than that LPN's work in nursing homes passing meds, boring!

MATH?

I am in my early 60s. I was wondering what kind of math do you need to become an L.P.N.? That was my worse subject.

Math to become LPN

I don't believe there is a math prerequisite for LPN. I know that you have to have college algebra for RN.

Student

I just started my bsn program. My rn is done. Now what classes are an essential preparation for prerequites for the CRNA course. I know chemistry is one of them. If my undergraduate was to be in any other filed e.g physiology other than nursing would this be more helpful? Or what would you suggest?. Please brief me appropriately. Thanks John

Prerequisites for Nurse Anes.

I feel that since you already have a RN degree- it will probably be easier to obtain the BSN degree while you work (since it is so flexible) and will take less time. You will need to take other commonly required prerequisites for nurse anesthesia programs (you may want to research this). Some of the common prerequisites are General Chemistry I, II and Organic Chemistry I and/or biochemistry, Physics I and II. Of these listed, just about every nurse anesthesia program requires atleast one chemistry (ie General Chemistry I). There are a few that require General Chem I and II. Most programs will state that they RECOMMEND physics and biochemistry (if it is listed at all). Another thing you will need to do is take a GRE (Graduate Record Examination); however, there are a few schools that do not require this (if you have a 3.0 gpa or greater). Also, Barry University offers a nurse anesthesia 2 hour course that is costly. It seems like it could be beneficial (it is a review of chem, history of anesthesia, etc)...it's on their site. For the experience, you will need experience in an ICU or CCU (preferably a large ICU or CCU that will have given you a large amount of experience with vasoactives, lines, and ventilators). Hope this helps...

CRNA schools

Which CRNA shcool does not require the GRE or GMAT as a requirement. I have also heard that some schools do not require a GRE/GMAT score if you have a 3.5 GPA.

Student at high school

Hi, I would like to know if you are a student in college and in what year are you in?

RN

I would like to go back to school and get my masters in nurse anesthetist, but I don't know what the market will be in future. Do you think that the market for the job will grow or decrease in future? Will employer prefer to hire anesthisiologist rather than nurse-anesthetist?

RN

I just graduated from nursing school, and I can tell you that age is of no significance. If anything the instructors are more receptive to the older, more mature student. I am 34 and several of my classmates were 40-50 years old. Go for it!

Reach for the stars

Although I'm only fifteen, I'll be sixteen in two months and a couple days. I say, 'No. I think you're never too old to do anything. And if you put your mind to what you want then you can do anything. And 36 is a wonderful age to be at. It's not too old, and it's not too young. And at least you can say you're trying to do something with your life. So if it is true about the age being a problem which I don't think it is, then I think it's wrong. And I think you should fight for your right.

LPN

I am 36yrs. old,and have three children{believe it or not, my oldest is a college freshman}. I have been in Nursing 10yrs.I am enrolled in the Pre-Med. program and start Aug. 21,2006. I have alot of challenges ahead of me. I will be almost 50 before I will realize my goal. I tell my children; ten years from now {no matter what you are doing as a career} you will still be ten years older. DO NOT look back and think " I wish I woould have..." Every step FORWARD is a step in the RIGHT direction.

Age and wisdom

Age and wisdom and communication skills.

BSN STUDENT

WHAT IS A COMPETITIVE BSN GPA TO GET INTO CRNA SCHOOL WITH???

GPA for Nurse Anesthetist

See Ed's response to Autumn.

Nurse Anesthetist

I would like to know if you can enter the field of nurse ansethetist with a Bachelor's of Science degree?

Same Question

Let me know if you find the answer to your question as I have the same question. Ricky

RN

Yes, it is called accelerated program. I am not sure if you can jump directly into it without RN experience. I know there is a pathway to nurse with Bachelor's...and it is faster than regular path. I think you may have to do an accelerated B.S. degree-BSN(bachelor's of nursing) and then enter in. I think they want one years experience in CCU (critical care).

Accelerated programs

I recently applied to a couple of accelerated programs called MSN-Entry programs. All you need is a Bachelors Degree in any field and must complete a handful of nursing pre-reqs. After the first year, you are able to obtain your RN, then the next two years prepare you for advance practice nursing in the field of your choice.

Paramedic

I am a paramedic of 14 yrs and I have moved up as high as I can in pre hospital. Although, I really do not want to work as a RN, I have been thinking about nurse anesthetist for a couple of yrs now. As a paramedic I have intubated a number of difficult airways in my career and have always been interested in the or. I just feel too old to go back to school (I am 36) and I keep taking myself out of it. I understand that I must get my RN to reach my end goal. I have a number of BS and AS degrees. Could you please point me in the direction of the MSN-Entry program. Thank you for the information.

A World of Difference

I am not sure what you mean by an "MSN-Entry program". You are correct in that you must be an RN to enter anesthesia. It is under your nursing license that you can legally practice nurse anesthesia. If you have a BS in a health related field, you should be able to get your RN in about 18 months. I do not know, although I doubt that your pre-hospital experience will replace the requirement for critical nursing experience. There is a world of difference between pre hospital and hospital patient care.

Good luck

John

Medic too

I've been a medic for 12 years. I will graduate the medic to RN transition in 5/2006! I'm 33. You're not too old, trust me. I did my RN preceptorship in the OR because I wanted to make SURE CRNA is where I wanted to go. (and if it was worth 4 more years of school) IT IS! I talked to a ton of CRNA's. They love it, the pay is great and there is soooo much more to it than intubating. I'm heading to a few ICU's in a teaching hospital while I finish my BSN. See if your schools have a medic to RN transition, they work with your schedule and cut a few clinical hours off. Good luck.

Care Aide

Just food for thought: I will be 50 and think that I am too old to take LPN, and I don't know about age and my back, which right now is good. So I think you should go for it or you will wake up one day 50 and wonder why you didn't do it....Hope this helps you...:)

Response to Robin

Yes, some schools will accept students with Bachelor's of Science degree but you should have RN license meaning having at least an AA degree in nursing. You can apply to USC in California.

RN

I will tell you that a gpa of at least 3.0- definately. The bigger question is what experience is needed? I will say ICU, ICU, ICU. Preferably Trauma ICU! Then any ICU. Occasionally CRNA school admissions will take RNs that have experience in OR and ER. They really want a lot of ICU experience- Trauma being the best!

Competitive GPA?

That depends on your experience as a nurse. The class behind mine, the average GPA was a 3.99! Several were NPs prior to attending the anesthetist program. I would highly recommend that any class you made a "C" in be retaken. I do know a few people who did excellent on their GRE exam, had many years in high acuity (98th percentile)critical care and fair GPA's in undergrad that got in.

Keep trying

Gina: I have interviewed and made alternate list two years in a row. One thing I can tell you about the different programs is they all look for something a little different and it does not necessarily take a 3.4 or 3.5 to be competitive. Find the program looking for what you have. That's my goal this year. I am currently interviewing again and am excited at the prospect. Good luck!

Good luck

I know your comment was posted last year, but if you read this I hope you were accepted and GOOD LUCK!

RN CCRN

3.0 cumulative GPA and/or last 60 hours including science classes - 3.0

High School Courses

I am in 8th grade, and in about a week we will get to sign up for highschool courses. I really really want to be a doctor/nurse/surgeon/physician, and I want to work in the ER. What courses should I sign up for? I am looking all over the internet, but I can't really find any useful information. Please help me! I'm really really worried about this.... Madeline

HS classes & activities

You can learn about recommended high school courses and activities at this link on the School to Careers Web site:

HS courses

You go girl! Very smart of you to think ahead. Does your school have an 'advanced academic diploma'? Basically take all the math and sciences you can. Both will help you come college time. Take a foreign language also. If Latin is offered at your school, it would be a excellent choice. If not choose another. I did this, and danced on my dance squad and still had a blast in HS. Not a thing wrong with being ambitious and having your eyes set on a goal at any age. Good luck!

Good grades are important!

1. Being a good student is more important than exactly which classes you take. You do not have to have a 4.0, but something in that 3.5 range should serve you well.
2. I believe it will be to our best interest to be a well-rounded student. Colleges will want to see that you have been exposed to and done well in areas of English/literature, social sciences, perhaps a foreign language, and of course math and science.
3. Having said all of this, the math and sciences are going to be most important as you consider a career in health care. Take all the biology, chemistry, physics, and math you can. Just try not to be one dimensional about it.

I hope this helps you. I strongly advise you to see your local guidance counselor who can help you more than I can. Again, my best piece of advice for you would be: Be a good well-rounded student. Good Luck!

Math

You mentioned taking alot of math, calculus etc. Is this math used on a daily basis as a nurse anesthetist? What life situations have required advanced mathematics?

Thank you in advance.

No Wizards Needed

Katherine:

In our day-to-day activities we use only fairly basic math. The biggest area where higher math comes into play is as you read research articles that use lots of statistics when presenting their data. Bottom line is you do not have to be a math wizard to be an anesthetist. You need a solid understanding of the basics.

Good Luck

John

Embalmer or Nurse

I'm undecisive about my career path and it's between becoming a Funeral Director/Embalmer and a Nurse Anesthesist, two totally different jobs I know. I'm wondering in college what all will I have to learn to become a Nurse Anesthesist?

Your Advice

I have been reading this page which is very interesting and you seem to have a plethora of knowledge on the subject of CRNA. I am currently working in the medical field and taking my prerequites to apply for an accelerated nursing program. I know they are two different animals but which would you recommend in your experience and opinion? Becoming a CRNA or going to medical school to become an anesthesiologist. I am curious because by the time I have finished nursing school and have acquired my 2 yr RN experience to be able to apply to nurse anesthesia school and then tackle that....maybe I should just shoot for med school. I welcome any advice someone may offer. Thank You

I'm Biased!

Jessica:

That is a loaded question! The first thing I have to do is preface my opinions with the statement that I am a CRNA, proud to be a CRNA, and would never choose to be anything other than a CRNA. That is another way of saying, I am opinionated and biased, so please take that into consideration.

Yes, the two are different animals, but not all that different. Depending on the practice situation you get into, the differences can be very small.

Nurse anesthesia will take you fewer years in school: If you do not already have a bachelor's degree, you will have four years for your RN and degree. You will need at least one year of critical care experience and then 2 1/2 to 3 years for anesthesia school. That equals about 8 years.

Anesthesiology will take an appropriate pre-med bachelor's (4 years), then four years of medical school, perhaps one year of internship, and then an anesthesiology residency of three years. That equals about eleven to twelve years.

During the years you are working as a RN in an intensive care area, you will actually be making money. If after you become an RN, you will have a marketable skill if you change your mind about anesthesia. With medical school, you may or may not have a marketable skill with your undergrad degree and medical school alone has minimal value without a residency.

Medical school/anesthesiology will cost more for the education, but you will earn a higher income afterward. That being said, CRNA salaries are very good and you are looking at a six-figure income.

Medical school can be very hard to get into and often takes people two or three years to get accepted. Nurse school is generally fairly easy to get into, but the nurse anesthesia programs are very competitive and it can again take two or three years to get accepted.

That I believe is a fairly objective answer to your question. I hope it gives you something to think about. In my opinion, it would be very hard to improve on being a CRNA and I would do it all over again.

Good luck!

John

A few questions

Hey great comments, my experience is totally medical and includes working for a major hospital/medical college in NY. I was turned on to becoming a CRNA by the CRNA's I was working with. So now I am back in college working toward the BSN and I would like to ask a few questions of a practicing CRNA. 1st, how long have you been a CRNA? 2nd, what state do you work in? 3rd, do you work in a hospital or private setting? 4th, what does the money really look like, after taxes and what kind of OT can you get?

THANX

The IRS Likes Me

Christal: 1. I have been a CRNA for 27 years. I am 54 years old, graduated from nursing school with a BSN in 1974 and from anesthesia school in 1978. 2. I currently work in Iowa but have also worked in North Dakota and Minnesota. 3. I am a hospital employee. 4. Even after taxes, the money still looks good. As an employee, everything I make shows up on a W2 form so the IRS likes me a lot more than I wish they did. (Maybe they could name a bridge or freeway after me.) As I am sure you know, the more you make, the higher your tax rate. It makes me cringe every April 15th, but then I am also thankful I am in a profession that pays very well. I am a salaried individual. This means I get the same pay check every two weeks regardless if a work one hour or one hundred hours. This is not true with all employment situations. It is my belief that in the long run, it all comes out about the same.

Graduate Nurse

Hello! I will be graduating in 2 weeks with my ADN from Mercy College of Health Sciences in Des Moines(You might be familiar with it since you are from Iowa). I am very much interested in Nurse Anesthetist program,but I am not citizen and English is my second language. I have good GPA and I plan to build up on that while in BSN program through University of Iowa. Can you tell me what good programs for getting CRNA are in midwest and what are your recommendation as far as what classes and where to take before applying for the program. I am also having interview in a week for position in ICU. And also, is there good job availability in Iowa for CRNA's. Thank you so much for your time!!!

Iowa Is a Great Place

Suzana

Congratulations!

If you are going to Iowa City for your BSN, you will be in a great place to go to anesthesia school. The University of Iowa has an excellent program. Other Midwest schools that come to mind are in Minneapolis, Rochester, Yankton/Sioux Falls, SD, and Kansas City. I would highly suggest that once you get established at University that you make an appointment to see Dr. Ed Thompson, CRNA. He is the director of the anesthesia program in Iowa City. He is an excellent gentleman who can provide you with a wealth of information to prepare you for a career in nurse anesthesia.

The long term need for CRNAs in Iowa looks very good for finding a job after graduation.

Good luck and tell Dr. Thompson that I gave you his name.

John

Need your input

Hi John-- Just wanted to get your opinion. I am 47 yrs old, spent 20 years as a Certified Financial Planner with a BA and Masters in Education, retired, went back to school & became an RN,completing the CC course now, want to get into CRNA school. Working on BSN now, do you think I will be too old when finished? Financially I can swing the costs and not working for 2 years..thanks.

Why chemistry?

I hate chemistry; is there alot of chemistry used in nurse anesthesia? If so, what do you use it for?

Don't Worry About Chem

Chelsea:

NO! You will need to take the basic chemistry classes to complete your RN program. There will probably be about at least one chemistry class in anesthesia school. The focus will be more in the areas of physiology. In day-to-day life, chemistry is useful in understanding how drugs work and incorporated into human physiology. Don't let your dislike for chemistry prevent you from pursuing nurse anesthesia. John

Question

When you say a 3.5 range should serve you well, are you talking about in high school or just in college or both? Also if you didn't have a 3.5 in high school and you make it in college, are you still eligible to pursue this career.

College GPA is Important

Nina

Graduate schools are going to be MUCH more interested in your college GPA than high school.

Good Luck

John

I have a couple of questions?

I am a 30 year old woman who has a B.A. in Communications. I am looking forward to getting my nursing degree soon. I want to get my A.A in Nursing but I also want to continue on the road to become an Anesthetist. Since I already have a four year college degree would I be able after at least one year of working as a critical care nurse get into a Nurse Anesthetist program?

Talk to a Director

I do not know for sure. My guess is that most schools will ask you to take some other science related prerequisite courses. This is something you could do while you are working as an RN. To find out for sure I would talk to the director of the anesthesia program(s) you are considering. They can give you the best advice.

Good Luck!

Math and Science

You will need to take all biologies, chemistry, and if available at your school, advanced chemistry. You will also need to take all maths, and if your school offers college courses for seniors take those too.

CRNA student

Madeline, you're in 8th grade. Quit worrying about this. At this rate you will have a nervous breakdown before you graduate! If you are dead set on planning your life at this young of age, take all the biology, chemistry and math you can...Latin might come in handy too.

CRNA classes

Where would one find information on taking classes for this type of career? I am a Student Affairs Assistant and have a person very interested in taking courses for this field. Thanks for any help you can give me.

Math and Science are Critical

Science and math are your primary courses with any medical career! I'm looking at what I need to take for college and preparing for that, so I'm in the same boat :)

Nurse, United States Air Force

It is far too early for preparing for that. The most important thing is that you do the best at whatever it is you take in school. When you make it too hard to get excellent grades in school, it is going to be harder to get free college in good schools. Don't worry yourself. Just stay focused and get good grades.

College Student

Madeline, hi! I read your question and I'd like to respond. I am a college student currently going to school to become a nurse anesthetist. In high school, I was always concerned with my grades. That will be the main thing that you need to focus on. This will help in getting scholarships to pay for college. Since it sounds like you definitely want something in the medical field, try to take AP or Honors Biology classes, not necessarily your freshman year, but during your high school career. Also if offered, take Anatomy and Physiology along with Medical Terminology courses if they are offered. I would also recommend taking as many math classes as you can, because if you plan on becoming a doctor you will most likely have to take both college Algebra and Calculus. If you study this in high school you will be familiar with it in college. Also, if your high school gives you the opportunity to take a few college classes your junior or senior year, that is a great thing to do.

Sorry this message is so long I just want to help you out. You may want to talk to your high school counselor and she/he will be very helpful in filling out your schedule.

What courses should I take?

I am a high school senior planning on becoming a Nurse Anesthetist and I recently moved to northern Mississippi. This move caused me to miss out on some of the AP classes offered by my school. What classes should I start with when I start college in the spring that will bring me up to speed?

Take Human Science

Not knowing specifics as to what you have and have not taken, I would not venture an answer to your question. What I can tell you is that during the admission process to anesthesia school they will take a good look at the number of human science courses you have taken and your grades in those courses (anatomy, physiology, chemistry, biology, etc.) I would suggest loading up on these classes as part of your nursing program.

Hope that helps. John

High school classes

Biology 1 and 2, chemistry 1 and 2, physics 1 and 2, algebra 1 and 2, trig, geometry, calculus. Take typing too, which will help in any major and any job that you do.

The grades don't matter in high school that much, but when you go to college try not to make a C. It will always be there bringing down your GPA.

CRNA student

In retrospect, I wish I would have done joint enrollment in high school. Think about it in the next year or two. Sounds like you have many years of education for your path-whatever it may be. Getting college credits and your degree early can be helpful. Yet, be mindful of both working hard and still making time to enjoy life. It is a balance to consider. Work hard to be fulfilled-yet avoid burnout-This is the balance. Good luck in you pursuits!

RN

Madeline,

When I first entered college, I was a premed major. As you probably don't know- this is a major for people wanting to go to medical school to be a doctor. I changed my major and decided on nursing. If you decide to major in pre-med (plan to go to medical school to be a doctor) you should major in a program other than pre-med. The reason why is that premed is not a major..it is just a program that shows your intention. You can major in any degree you want science or non-science but you have to take the prereqs for your medical school requirements while getting a B.A. of "major" or B.S. of "major". Since you are about to start high school and this is an important early beginning for you...here are some classes....Biology, Anatomy and Physiology, CHEMISTRY!, Trigonometry, Calculus, any advanced classes in science and math at your school. Another great class to take that will score you into med school if you have the right grades and volunteerships...Spanish... Take all the Spanish that you can so that when you are in your interview for medical school you can do the interview in Spanish! Talk about a real eye opener. Truthfully, all science, math, psychosocial (psychology, philosophy, ethics) are great classes for either medical school or nursing school entrance! Congrats on your early worries...this will save you time and money! Good luck!

What major to pick

I want to be a Nurse Anesthetist, can I major in Psychology?

Talk to Schools

Tacarra A degree in psychology plus RN, I do not know how that would be received by an admission committee. I would suggest talking to a couple of anesthesia schools in your area and get their opinion. Good luck John

Hello

In highschool you should take a LOT of biology and chemistry, and some physics.. That's what I take.

HS Student

I've taken a year of Biology, Chemistry and Physics. Yet my grades weren't all that great. Basically high Cs to low Bs. Would that be a huge issue on my path to becoming a nurse anesthetist? I do plan on doing better in college, of course.

What you should do

You should talk to your school's guidance counselor.

ER Tech

Hi Madeline, I work in an ER and I'm currently working on my nursing degree. I would suggest you take the Biology and Chemistry classes definitely. These classes are required in college to be in the medical profession and if you can get a head start on learning the basics it will help you tremendously in college. In highschool you can take college prep courses in English that apply to your college credits. Some community colleges also offer college courses to high school students. This may be looking a few years ahead for you but you can set yourself up for that now. Get the best grades you can because your GPA is very important. Good Luck

High School Courses

Madeline, if you would like to pursue a medical career in your future then during your high school years you should try to take challenging science courses including chemistry, biology and physics. You should also take challenging math courses including calculus. In addition to these courses, you should try to do some volunteer work in your community's hospital or health center so as to give you insight into the medical field

Latin?

Latin will not help you in the nursing field. Perhaps Spanish will since they will be the majority by the time you graduate college.

Don't fret at your age!

Madeline... I am a pediatrician and before that a nurse. You are just in 8th grade! There is no need to be worrying about these things at your age. Many schools these days want a candidate to have a very wide variety of interests and knowledge, not to be focused so much on one thing. My favorite classes in college were my non-major ones, such as the Humanities, Philosophy, etc....because they prepare your thinking abilities in a much deeper way that the rote learning typical in the sciences. Relax and enjoy your childhood, it goes by too fast!

Hard to Switch?

Was it hard making the switch from nurse to pediatrician? I'm referring to the med school experience itself. Also, was it hard to convince the admissions committee? I've heard they frown upon nurses trying to become doctors.

Also, how did you balance time between family (if you had children) and studies?

Help Me Out

Is it possible to major in nursing while minoring in pre med?

Doubt It

I do not know, but I highly doubt it. Every nursing program I know of is very structured.

Nursing major w/ pre med minor

Celeste: Yes, it is possible. My best friend who I went to college with did that. We were both pre-med and she was in the school of nursing and obtained her nursing degree and was also accepted into medical school and is now finishing up her residency in Internal Medicine. She did keep it a secret from the Nursing School until she was accepted, but she was able to do it. You can major in whatever you want and still be pre-med. You just have to fulfill your pre-med requirements. I was an English major and chem minor and am starting my last year of anesthesia residency. Good luck.

BSN student

Is it true that you should keep your intention of becoming an anesthetist secret when interviewing for jobs fresh out of BSN progams, so that employers don't know they may lose you in a year or two if you go back to school (for the anesthetist program)?

Honesty is best!

That is one of the most interesting questions I have been asked, it is a great question. It is so good that I have shared it with my two partners to get their responses. We all had the same basic opinion, so here it is.

First and foremost, integrity and character are everything. I do not care what area of health care you pursue, if you do not possess honesty, you are doing a disservice to your patients.

That being said, we are all of the opinion that your interest in advancing on to nurse anesthesia school is not necessarily something we would volunteer in a job interview. If asked about your future goals in nursing, your interest should be mentioned. You may also want to remind your potential employer that one of the major areas looked at for admission to an anesthesia program is your work experience in a critical care area. For you to be successful in anesthesia, you will need to be successful in nursing. This means that even if it is only for a couple of years, your goal is to be the best critical care nurse they have.

I hope this helps. In my biased opinion, nurse anesthesia is one of the most rewarding and enjoyable career choices you can make in health care. I wish you the best of luck.

Med school vs. NA

I have just completed my undergraduate degree in molecular biology with a GPA of 3.4. I am really struggling with which road to take for the future. I have always wanted to become a doctor, but just recently I discovered the nurse anesthetist career and am very interested in pursuing that as well. I have shaddowed plenty of professionals in both fields and I still can't seem to decide between the two. One factor that pushes me towards the nurse route is the flexibility of the job and the shorter amount of schooling required. As someone who enjoys being involved in a lot of different things, moving around, and having a certain amount of freedom, I sometimes think that med school and what follows may require too much commitment and sacrifice. Can anyone offer me any insight that may enlighten me on some of the crucial differences in the two careers or possibly help me think about this in a different way that might help me make a decision? Thanks so much.

Med school vs a nursing career

Hello, I was just browsing and I saw your comment and was completely shocked, because I am in the exact position. I have a B.S. degree with a major in Biology. I always wanted to be doctor, but I also want flexibility. I completely identify with you. I spent a year at a very prestigious university conducting research under a M.D. /PhD and she sees me as her protégé'. I don't want to disappoint her, but the crna job seems to fit me better than being a doctor. I want to see patients and be involved in healthcare, but the other side (the business side), I don't care for it. SOOOOO..I wrote this not offering advice, because simply I still don't have the answer; but to let you know someone is going through the exact same thing! I wish you luck in your decision and if you find any helpful information please let me know and I'll do the same.

--Jamie

LVN

I too have long wanted to become a physician. I have been a nurse for 12 years and have decided to pursue a career in anesthesia. I am currently in school getting some classes out of the way in preparation to advance my nursing career. My decision was based on my duties outside of my work. I am a pastor and have numerous responsibilities. I worked for 6 months in an OR as an anesthesia tech and it was great. As a CRNA, I can see myself doing what I love, yet having the flexibility to enjoy my life outside of the hospital.

CRNA hopeful

Hello John, I like how you much you are such an advocate for your profession. I'm deathly afraid of applying to CRNA school. My overall GPA in college is 2.9 but during nsg school I got mostly As & Bs. I have ROUGHLY THREE YEARS EXPERIENCE IN THE ICU. I guess I'm just scared that I won't get in. I have no wish to attend an extremely competitive CRNA school, I just basically want to get in. Any suggestions for schools? Anything I can do to make me a stand-out applicant? Thank you in advance.

Don't Be Afraid

Do not be afraid to apply because you may be rejected. I can promise you that if you do not apply you will not get accepted! 2.9 is not a great GPA but not all that bad either (that is about what mine was when I graduated from nursing school). A factor that will be just as important is your work references from ICU. It is also important to remember that many, many people do not get into school on their first application, so do not give up if at first you do not succeed.

All schools are competitive, how competitive varies from year to year. If the hospital you work at has an anesthesia program, get to know some of the anesthesia providers and let them get to know you. Positive comments from anesthesia providers will also go along way to helping you get in.

My advice, go for it. You have nothing to lose by applying. If you do not succeed the first time, try again. You will not be sorry.

Good luck

John

GPA

I graduated with a BSN in 2001 and have 3 years of OR experience and 1 year of ICU experience. I want to become a crna; however, I am concerned that my college GPA is going to hurt my chances when applying. I received a 2.88. I regret not taking my classes more seriously, as I was more interested in the social aspect of college. Now, however, I am ready to pursue a more advanced nursing role. I was a strong student in high school, and I feel that my college GPA is not representative of my full potential. I have very strong recommendations from professionals in both OR and ICU setting. How do you think a GPA of 2.88 will affect my chances since it is only one aspect of my application? I know it is weighed heavily, but I really feel that this number is not a determinate of what I am capable of doing now in my career. Thanks.

Low GPA

From researching this issue, I have found that the most logical thing to do in this situation it to obtain a MSN. Make really good grades. The MSN grades will differentiate your abilities in the present with those in the past. Also, if you get a MSN, you can omit the MSN classes in the Nurse Anesthesia programs (since you've already taken them).

Just Wondering

I'm in a similar boat though. I graduated with a BS in Biology, minors in Chem and Psych, and a 3.1 GPA. I went to a small liberal arts college, and hated the program I was in. It (the Bio program) catered mainly to students who wanted to pursue a career as a research scientist, and anything health/medical related was, in my opinion, seen as being of secondary importance (at best). By the time I realized how unhappy I was in the program though, I felt that it was too late to transfer (partially because I didn't want to tack on another year of schooling in addition to another $30,000 in loans).

Anyway, because of my disinterest in the program I really lost focus on my studies and let my grades slip...particularly in more challenging and time-consuming subjects like Organic Chem.

I'm planning on applying to an accelerated (1-year) nursing program...and I'm hoping that a GPA of 3.1 will be enough to get in. Anybody have thoughts either way? I graduated from high school in the top 5% (~300 students in my graduating class), and I know that I'm capable of much more than what my college transcript shows. I know that I could excel in a program that I really liked, and I'm wondering whether good performance in a 1-year nursing program will be enough to gain a spot in an anesthesiology program...

Just Fine

Nick-- It is my opinion that if you do well in your nursing program you should be just fine.

Just as important will be your work references from your ICU work experience.

I hope you will enjoy nurse anesthesia as much as I do.

John

Call around

Good question for which I do not have a good answer. My best advice would be, call several directors of nurse anesthesia programs and talk to them. Explain your situation and see what they recommend. I am sure they will come up with a good plan and will help you get into the program.

Good Luck

Former director CRNA program

A GPA of less than 3.0 is not desired in a viable applicant. Competition is extremeley fierce today and average GPA of 3.9 among the pools of students I accepted and taught was common. You must take some higher level courses 500 classes (chem bio stats) and show you are a serious applicant. Get out of the OR and work in a surgical ICU not trauma not NICU Surgical ICU. Good Luck! (p.s. avoid the "bag monkey skools" you need to learn how to manage a patient without the MDA pushing your drugs )

CRNA Interest

Hello,

I went to the OR to intubate for doing ambulance transfers on critical patients and I absolutely loved it! So I have a new interest for the CRNA program, but I love ER. I have been in a level III ER and finally worked my way to a perfect day shift. I don't really have an interest in losing this. I also teach CPR. Wisconsin only has one school for CRNA which takes 7 applicants/year. I graduated 13/76 in high school, 3.75 in ADN, and so far in BSN completion have 3.8. I will take any info you can give me. Thanks, Donna

New BSN student

Exactly what do you mean by higher level courses 500? Is this while you are still an undergrad, before you get your BSN or after? Also what does it take to get work in the surgical ICU; is it possible to work there right after getting your BSN?

500 Classes

Most schools label post-graduate class 500 or greater. Some hospitals will hire new graduates into an ICU, some will not. My guess is that the hospital's need at the time will be the greatest factor in that decision. (Law of supply and demand goes everywhere.)

Honesty - agree

I have been a nurse for three years and have told every employer during interviews that I am aiming for anesthesia school. I have been granted every job that I interviewed for thus far (remember the huge nat'l shortage) and have found that most employers see it as a desireable quality that you are ambitious. They may even try to recruit you by boasting their "tuition reimbursement program" for graduate study.

Info

I'm doing a research project on a nurse anesthetist and I was wondering if anyone could give me some information. Like what is the demand for CRNA's in the US and in any other countries, if anyone knew. Thanks

Job outlook

Go to the "Career Profile" link and look in the "Quick Stats" box for projected outlook in the U.S.

RN, MSN, FNP

I am a Nurse Practitioner. I have been considering getting involved in the world of anesthesia for some time. This is primarily due to missing the intensive care experience that I am presently lacking in the family practice setting.

How difficult would it be for someone like myself to get into the program with a 3.65 GPA at the Masters level in Science?

Do colleges look down upon individuals such as myself, who already have the ability to diagnose and clinically manage patients from a enrollment perspective?

Is this treading on new water with respect to licensing issues for someone like myself?

What could I expect as a rough estimate regarding the total financial costs involved to be able to complete an accredited program in anesthesia as an out of state student? I know that it's difficult to say, but I am looking at a rough mean or estimate.

I live in Arizona. What schools would you recommend in the CA and TX area, since I know these states have accredited nurse anesthesia programs. Are there any other states nearby that offer a quality program?

Nurse Practitioner

Here's the answer from the University of Iowa perspective.

The GPA would be quite competitive at every program. Graduates of many nursing programs, both BSN and MSN, do not have all of thescience pre-requisites required by most CRNA programs.

We would be thrilled with an NP student. Some institutions may not be as interested. One thing you could do would be tp see if NPs are employed by the medical center or university that houses the anesthesia program. We would view it as a tremendous advantage, especially for a CRNA to be an FNP who would wish to work in rural USA. That person might even be able to combine NP with CRNA in a single practice.

I don't understand the licensing question. CRNA is national. Practice settings and ability to fully use knowledge and skills are employer and state dependent. States with prescriptive authority and who have "opted out" should provide a more full ability to practice.

Costs vary highly with location and the institution. The cost of living in New York City or San Francisco may be quite high. Private versus state supported schools also make a difference. I would go to aana.com and look up the programs and go to the programs' websites. Most address costs or would be willing to answer questions about costs. A feasibility study for a program in Arizona is currently underway.

Nursing Student

Dr. Thompson, I was wondering if you could elaborate more on the comment of a school in the works in Arizona. I am currently a nursing student at ASU and plan on in a few years apply to a CRNA program, but there are none in Arizona. Will there be?

Arizona Nurse Anesthesia

There is one currently in Glendale, Arizona. No GRE required.

Arizona program

There are several new nurse anesthesia programs starting where none had ever existed before in states like Arkansas, West Virginia and Arizona. The College of Health Sciences of Midwestern University in Downers Grove,Illinois (Chicago suburb) has a campus in the Phoenix suburb of Glendale. They are just beginning to look for a Nurse Anesthesia Program Director and have not yet entered the pre-accreditation phase. My guess is that they will not be able to admit students until Fall 2004 or 2005.

Just remember, any new educational venture has bumps in the road, but it is good to see expansion west of the Rockies. The only programs out West are in the Los Angeles area, Oakland and Spokane. Iowa, Nebraska, Kansas, South Dakota and North Dakota have a number of programs. A new program in Arizona will certainly help meet the needs for that part of the U.S.

Mrs.

Dr. Ed: I am a pre-nursing student at Washburn University in Kansas. I am looking into the requirements of the CRNA licensing and schools. I have only just begun to look into it. You wrote that there are programs in Kansas. Can you tell me where they are. I recently switched from pre-med to nursing and will begin the BSN program in one year. Thank you.

CRNA student

Please investigate nurse anesthesia schools very carefully. I think I will love my future profession, but I really regret my choice of school. I had no idea that students would be treated so poorly and left unattended to perform anesthesia alone on patients during my second week of clinical training. As one can see, I wish to remain anonymous as well as keeping my school a secret. Ask the following questions:
1. Will I be used as staff?
2. What is the turnover rate?
3. What will be the quality of my education?
4. Is there a human stimulator available?
5. How much regional anesthesia will students be taught?
Also, look at the AANA website for current issues and schools. Good luck

RN

I quit a CRNA program also because it was a sink or swim type program where you are thrown into the OR without adequate teaching.. imagine doing anesthesia on a 7 month old without any instruction besides text reading....!!!

CCEMT-P, NREMT-P

I am 33 years old and like many, aspire to become a CRNA. I am in the beginning stages of my quest. I am confident that I will do well in my undergraduate studies.

I have read every post on this page and am very aware of how competative the program is. I know that I must have a competitive GPA, GRE, BSN, RN Critical Care experience and interview well. Assuming that I do all of those things, I still have a couple of concerns about my chances of being accepted. I hope you can shed some light.

1. I have a GED. Will this have a negative impact on being accepted?

I think it is imperative that I note the following:

Since obtaining my GED 14 years ago, I have 14 years of EMS experience and am in my 11th year as a Paramedic. I have been teaching EMS for 10 years, teach paramedicine for two community colleges, helped develop a county paramedic program, have taught in excess of 700 hours, am in my 8th year as a full-time Lieutenant Firefighter / Paramedic and EMS Operations Manager, certified Critical Care Paramedic through the University of Maryland, in my 4th year as a Critical Care Flight Paramedic with the largest Aeromedical Transport Agency in the country, trained to manage art. lines, SWAN lines, ventilators, IABP, RSI, vasoactive medications and many other aspects of critical care transport. I am a Nationally Registered Paramedic and hold certifications in Ohio and Pennsylvania. I am certified in ACLS, BTLS, PALS, CPR, NRP and EMT-Instruction. I also am an active member of a charity that helps provide for under-privileged children.

I know that it sounds like I am "bragging" but, I only mention my accomplishment because I am curious to know if they may overshadow my GED. Also, I am curious to know if my experiences would make any diffenece in the acceptance process. I know that my experiene and knowledge does not "hold a candle" to that of a CRNA, But, I hope that it will atleast prove my devotion to critical care, ability to think critically and drive to be succeed.

My other questions:

2. I am obtaining my ADN and BSN from a nationally accredited college but, it is a distance learning program. In your professional opinion, how do you think the average program would view this? Unfortunately, I cannot attend a traditional college due to my current schedule. I do not have the luxury of resigning my full-time position unless accepted into the program.

3. Last but certainly not least, what steps should I take to improve my odds of being accepted?

I would like to sincerely thank you for your valuable time. Sorry for the long note.

B.K.

Most Important is Performance

B.K.

First, let me preface my answer by saying that I do not sit on any groups that select students for selection to a program. My information comes from talking to people who have recently gone through the process and from my understanding of the profession.

I believe that there is one response that will answer all your questions. The most important factor in being selected to a program is your performance as a registered nurse in a critical care area. That will best predict your success as a nurse anesthetist. All of your previous experience should serve you very well in preparing you to be an outstanding nurse, which will prepare you to be an outstanding anesthetist. I would not worry about having a GED or a degree from a distance-learning program. IF you are a very good critical care nurse, you should do fine.

Good luck

John

Nursing student

Thank you, Dr. Ed, for commenting. I was wondering what are the pros/cons of a new program? Either way, I am excited and hope they find a great Nurse Anesthesia Program Director.

LPN

Midwestern University (http://www.midwestern.edu/) got accredited recently, it is located in Glendale, AZ

BS BSN CCRN

I have heard that the hospitals in AZ have no need for the CRNA. I want to get this master's degree and plan to move to AZ in 2006. Do you have any information about the future of this nurse specialty? Thank you

AZ

Lisa:

I do not know where you got your information, but I would question the source. The last information I have is that on any given day 54% of all the hospitals in the U.S. are looking for anesthesia help. I can not believe that AZ is not in need of anesthesia help. Some areas and hospitals tend to use more anesthesiologist than CRNAs; some use more CRNAs than anesthesiologists. I do know that AZ uses CRNAs. A couple of years ago a new graduate from the University of Iowa program took a job in AZ with an all CRNA group. I just shared your note with one of my partners and he mentioned that he very recently talked to a CRNA who was moving to AZ.

You can also check this information out with the Arizona Association of Nurse Anesthetists. Their web site address is: www.AZANA.org

Hope this helps.

John

SRNA

Just thought I would let you know that there is a current program in West Virginia (and has been for some time). It is located in Charleston, WV and is accredited. Your reply implied we had no current program and I thought you might appreciate the insight. Thanks for your posting.

Chemist

I have a B.S. and M.S. in chemistry. I will obtain a B.S.N. in one year. After obtaining the requisite experience in shock/trauma, critical care, I plan to apply for admission to a program leading to certification as a nurse anesthetist. How would a board of admissions view an application for entrance to CRNA school?

Go for it!

Mark: I do not sit on a committee that selects anesthesia students, so have no first-hand experience to share with you. From your note, you sound like you are very qualified. With good references from your clinical experience, I would have to believe you should have little trouble being accepted.

You will enjoy anesthesia.

John

Admissions Advice

I graduated in May 2004 from Drake University with a BS in Biology and a BA in Biochemistry, Cell and Molecular Biology. My graduating GPA was 3.25. I am now in the BSN program at Grand View College, with an anticipated graduation of May 2006. I would like to attend University of Iowa's nurse anesthesia program and I was wondering if you could give me any advice to increase my chances of getting into the University of Iowa's program. During the admissions process what is the program looking for in their future students (i.e what is required and what is recommended)?

Good Questions

Those are very good questions and I do not have really good answers. Since you are very interested in the University of Iowa's program (good choice, it is a very good program) I would suggest you ask these questions to Dr. Ed Thompson, CRNA, PhD. He is the director of the program there and would be happy to talk to you.

Quality programs

I live in the Dallas area, and two good programs are at Wesley and Baylor. Good Luck!

RRNA

That's actually Texas Wesleyan University... The largest & 1 of the top Anesthesia programs in the nation.

CRNA

Check out programs that offer a post-Master certificate option for the student that already has a Master's degree.

Chances for not so great GPA

I was just wondering how well the chance of someone with not so great GPA (3.2) of getting into the Nurse Anesthesia program. Also what type of test or kinds of questions are in the GRE exam?

Don't worry too much about GPA

Just thought you'd like to know, a nurse on my unit just got accepted to CRNA school and he finished up his BSN with a 3.2 gpa. Depending on the program, sometimes the interview is more important than the gpa.

Interview

Is there anyway someone could send me an interview between a person and a Nurse Anesthetist? I'm researching a job for school and it requires an interview and there are no nurse anesthetists in my area.

Thank you

Interview is here

Lorie, You will find an interview on the School to Careers Web site at this link:

http://www.careers.iptv.org/enhanced/1038/ec_askthepro.cfm

MSPT

I also am worried about my GPA. I have a Master's of Science degree in Physical Therapy, and have been a physical therapist for 10 years. My GPA was decent at 3.6 - 3.7ish. Now I'm in an ADN program and can't seem to get more than a C grade. My school prides itself in that. Help! Will I even have a chance at getting in a CRNA school? I realize many programs require a BSN, but one school I talked to would accept me with my background of MSPT, and one year of ICU experience. But as you can see, I'm worried about my Nursing GPA - as I was told they would only look at THAT. I need advice!! I could quit this program and try to find an accelerated BSN program, but there are none in my state (TN). I really am a good student, but am very discouraged. Any words of wisdom??? Thanks. RM

MSN to CRNA

Kind of branching off of this comment. If I already have a MSN, about how much time could I expect to cut off of a CRNA school? Are the masters courses linked entirely to the individual program?

No Idea

I have no idea. Please check with the director of the program(s) you are applying to.

RN

If you don't mind me asking, what state were they accepted in?

Nurse Anesthesia School

I am also interested in anesthesia school, but my GPA is not that great. I have heard many stories of how competitive it is. I have a strong clinical background in critical care. Thanks for your comments.

Nursing Anesthesia Student

Dear Michael:

From my take on things, I believe schools are looking for all things: GPA, experience, letters of recommendation, extra-curricular activities, GRE, etc.. I was concerned about my GPA from undergrad. So, I went back to school for a couple of years, took Chemistry, Organic, and Physics to be more competitive. I hear people saying that the programs are difficult to get into... I can't really say for sure how competitive. The other thing that may really help is taking a non-matriculated master's level nursing course or two at the school you'd like to attend, get your A's, and they'll know what you're about when you apply to their program. Good luck. Don't give up; you will get in.

Not so great GPA

I agree with the comment below...if you hit a homerun during the interview, have good recs, and perform on the GRE some schools will be amenable.

Nursing Student w/Psych. BA.

What does the interviewer(s) look for in an admissions interview?

What are "good" and "bad" candidates?

Another GPA Question

I was wondering what kind of chances do I have in getting into CRNA school with a undergraduate GPA of 2.9, GRE score OK but making 4.0 on master level sciences.

rn bsn in sicu

Hi! That is my predicatment. I was waitlisted and took grad classes and getting A's. The chances are good for me to get in next year. So don't worry. Show committment and they will be interested in you. I have a strong resume and that is what I rely on.

Nursing Student

I think it depends on how competitive the school is. I usually depends on how many seats are available and the average GPA of the student pool applying at the time. It is definitely good to apply to many schools at one time. Sometimes the average GPA is a 3.99 and other times it could be a 3.0 GPA.

SRNA

I want to know the practicing CRNA's opinions on BIS monitors?

My Opinion about BIS

Here is my opinion and the opinion of many of the people I work with.

There is always a concern during general anesthesia that the patient might have recall or memory of the events that occur during surgery. General anesthesia is not an absolute guarantee that there will be no memory. In an effort to eliminate this problem, BIS monitors were developed. To put it simply, the BIS monitor measures brain wave activity to tell you if the patient is asleep or awake.

This sounds very good in theory, but in practice it does not work very well. What most people have found is that there is a delay between what the patient does and what the monitor tells you. In effect, the patient wakes up, and then the monitor tells you the patient is about to wake up. Because of this problem, most people I know have found the BIS monitor to be of limited value.

On the positive side, reports are out that they are improving the technology and working to eliminate the BIS monitor's current shortcomings. It is quite possible that in the future the BIS monitor will become a much more useful tool.

CRNA vs NP

Hi! I am an RN in a CICU in Iowa. I am currently working on finishing my BSN and will be done in a year and want to go on. I am having a hard time deciding on whether to pursue nurse anesthesia or a nurse practitioner program. Is there a way to "job shadow" a CRNA? What do you consider to be stressful about anesthesia?